Blog Archives 6/1/07-7/31/07
Well I've got a question....
The Little Rockets day car for infant (trailer) looks like that some good minded folks from the "Two Rivers" church are helping with the fix up of the trailer.
They had a volunteer day this past Saturday. Looks like it was painted, the steps moved in place,the trailer was moved away from North Middle toward the road (Fire Marshall had concerns about location) etc....
However the church is now calling this a "missionary" effort to help the day care??? Can you have a missionary in the public schools??
It just gets deeper.....
In today's News
Herald I saw an article about Lenoir
City and eminent domain concerning
back taxes and a property that they
probably want for their own. An old
song by Jenny C. riley comes to
mind. "This is just a little Peyton
Place and your whole bunch are
Lenoir City hypocrites! (I am simply
sharing MY opinion, so blame no one
but me.). Come on Mayor, when do you
plan to declare eminent domain on
the city attorney? On the other
hand, maybe he pays city taxes, and
not county taxes.
Is anybody surprised the Aikens got off, again? Kind of makes firing Grossbard for the video seem a little silly. Some things never change and never will.
Ashamed of our system 7/21/07
I recently read in the local paper a proposal from one of our fine County Commissioners Nancy Marcus. Mrs. Marcus has been trying for some years now to make the county employees pay higher rates for insurance. She correctly stated a figure that the county pays about 90 percent of the employee insurance with the workers paying 10 percent. Also, according to Marcus, the county has been raising and leveling the salaries of employees of various departments, and this should allow them to pay a higher percentage cost.
The fact of the matter is, the only employees that have seen raises are upper management. Some of them received raises at around 15,000.00 a year! How many of the regular employees saw a raise? The ones that sued the commission to get one! So for whatever reason, Mrs. Marcus has an agenda to make the county employees suffer. This shows the true character of this woman. NEWS FLASH! The county is not in a huge hurt for money, so why is she doing this? It is not the first time it has happened.
Recently Van Shaver posted
the leftover money from last
year, and it shows me that there
is no reason to scrounge. Let
me give you an example of how
someone might be effected if
this change were to come about.
Lets say that we have an
employee that makes 12.00 /hr.
There are a whole lot of people
that work for the county that
make this or a lot less. This
employee would make about 960.00
every two weeks. Uncle SAM
takes his part along with
mandatory county retirement and
now we have about 740.00. Now
if you have family insurance,
you pay about 120.00 a month so
60.00 more off of the 740.00.
Now we are down to 680.00 bring
home every two weeks. This is
how it is currently.
I feel sorry for the county employees that are just here to be a public servant. These are the people that make our county function, not the administration that can never be found during business hours. Look at it this way, would you like the girl that answers your 911 call to be no more than a burger flipper when your loved one is having a heart attack, or would you like a professional that has good benefits to be here. Would you like the county clerks that we all have to see at one point in time to screw it all up because they have no education? How about that officer that comes to help you in a horrible situation. Would you like to have an idiot respond to you because he was the only one that was dumb enough to work for such a low rate? It is as simple as this. Take care of your employees and you will have a good product. I don't mean that you have to be a tax money open drain, just give people that have good education and work ethics a reason to look at this county when they are looking for a job. I would like to ask Van to look into this situation a little more and have his opinion. I would like to see Van back in office so that he could represent employees fair like before. As for Nancy Marcus, we all know that your broom doesn't have a lot of dust on it.
Ricky Lenoir City 7/20/07
I am sorry for Mr. Grossbard. It was a silly thing he did but are we to believe he is the only city/LCUB employee to goof off a little on the clock or to use city/LCUB equipment for personal use? I think not. He certainly should have been reprimanded but termination was too harsh. Chief White has now set a high standard for all of his officers and the same standard should also apply to all city and LCUB employees. It will be very interesting to see if it will. I'm sure we will all be watching to see if this standard is equally and fairly applied to all.
All is not lost for Mr. Grossbard. I'm sure he can get a job with the sheriff's department. They have a much, much lower standard than the city. Exhortation, tampering with evidence, prisoner abuse and so on. Goofing off on the clock would never rise to a punishable offence. After all one county top cop spends most of his time building houses while on the county dime.
As for your story "County Ends
Fiscal Year with 20 Million +", we
may have 20 million now but that
will dwindle to nothing if Doyle Arp
keeps taking on his buddy
Cunningham's bills with the animal
shelter, funding Tellico Village's
wish list, and going on with plans
to transform the county building
into Fort Arp. More people need to
get off their hind end and get
involved if they care about their
quality of life in this county.
I would like to address Ms. Malone's heart rendering letter to the editor in the News Herald 07/16/07,
Ms. Malone has no idea what she is about to get the school board into. Ask yourself, if an on site daycare is such a great idea, why doesn't every private employer set up an infant daycare for their employees. Contrary to Ms. Malone's statements, on site daycares actually contribute to less work productivity. The worker/parent inevitably will spend work time visiting their child especially in the infant stages.
What about the staff required to work an infant daycare? One adult per each four infants. I'm sure Ms. Malone feels they can just hire other teacher's children as they have done so much in the past for other BOE jobs, but not this time. The daycare will be required to have qualified staff. The amount of paper work required to be kept could keep one person working full time. And how long will it be before the tax payers will start picking up the tab.
Heaven forbid, but if there were ever a serious incident, it won't be Ms. Malone that will be held responsible. It will be the tax payers. The liability to the employer is off the charts.
Ms. Malone's statement that our teachers make less then "ALL" surrounding counties is not exactly true. Many times pay scale is dependent on who you are. But also remember the cost of living in Loudon County is less then "ALL" surrounding counties. If a teacher feels that they can make more some where else then they should move on and do what they feel is best for them.
This is just one more example of the education sector feeling superior to the rest of us. Our daycares aren't good enough.
Mary from one of our "no quality" daycares 7/18/07
I am not sure what the story is on Gordon Harless ( I would like to know) but as for county employees using county computers while on tax payers time I think someone should look in to Loudon County Economical Development Agency. I think you will find some of the employees there spending a lot of time sending personal emails, tasteless jokes and surfing websites that are not for the development of Loudon County. Is this being done while on the clock? Are we paying for there employees to play on the internet? If they have free time to do this maybe there hours should be adjusted so they can spend time at home on the PC and not while they are at work. I t was recently some of them got a substantial raise. Hmmmmm something smells and its not the river.
Food for thought the next time you see one of them.
Friend of the county 7/12/07
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I won't be in town to make it for the July 11th meeting. However, I wanted to raise an additional point in the Truck Stop saga:
One need only TRY to exit the interstate at Watt Road or Lovell Road where said "travel centers" exist and see yet ANOTHER reason we don't want this development in our residential community. Traditional traffic lights allow 2 trucks AT BEST thru a single green light. Your time getting off on 72 has just tripled! (assuming a light is installed - if not, add more because we've all seen truckers take the "I'm bigger" right of way liberty.) And if you live off of Sugarlimb and think it won't affect you? Think again. How many residents will purposely jump off on Sugarlimb just to avoid the truck harangue down the road? I know I jump off anywhere BUT Watt Road to hit Dixie Lee Junction. We will feel the 'ripple' effect on both sides of this exit.
And, to someone else's point…. How long after we have a 'travel center' do we have some 'adult only' bookstores, video stores, and novelty shops? Again - see Watt Road? See Lovell!!! Bees flock to their honey. These establishments know where to strategically locate a business, don't they? I'm not trying to 'generalize' about truckers - I'm looking at historical evidence. Not all are sex starved porn addicts… but I don't want even 1 or 2 or 3 planning their layover / fix in my backyard. Do you?
J.S. Lenoir City 7/10/07
Wendy is correct and I am so pleased she brought this to our attention.....I happen to like the Loudon area the way it is. we do not need to step out our back door onto a strip mall or in the door of a travel center....You all should listen to the police department some night or go and look at the call records for the Travel centers A.K.A TRUCK STOPS that are in our county. this would be the T/A and Perkins restaurant at Watt road. yes...they are in Loudon County. these places draw the some undesired patrons and feed some unwanted crime. if this happens then the Hwy 72/I-75 area will see an increase in vagrants that frequent truck stops ( I will use the phrase truck stop a lot so I am sure not to sugar coat the issue). This will bring in prostitution A.K.A. Lot lizards. these are women and men who hang around truck stops to trade sex for money or drugs. and lets not mention the drugs that will roll thru that place. The traffic would be horrific...I am sure this would be a good selling approach for people wanting to buy property at the National....the description could read like this.
Live in a pristine golfing community in beautiful Loudon County, This uniquely designed golf community built near the land fill ( if not on it) is located a hop, skip and a jump from a shopping Mecca. you can visit the quaint shops of the Pilot Truck stop while enjoying the outside aroma of mushrooms in growth. If you seek to meet other cultures I am sure you will bump into some our friendly Hispanics as the commute to and from work.
We do not need this travel center. We need to stop thinking about the almighty dollar and think about what this place is and why some of us call it home.
P.O.ed in Loudon 7/10/07
Just as Wendy has said, "Time is of the essence" if you want to try to eliminate a problem before it begins. I just learned on the 4th of July that some way, some how, there was an ordinance passed in Lenoir City that says that fireworks are legal inside the city limits from June 20th thru July 5th. Imagine how that could have possibly passed at a City Council meeting where one of the members would own a fireworks store. I was very upset to think that I had to get up at 5:30 am on Thursday for work and I didn't have a voice at all in the "booming" fireworks displays all around my house. I think if that passed without the public knowing about it and never the less it is being abided by, WHY first of all would fireworks be needed prior to the 4th of July and the day after the 4th and secondly, let's enforce the law of fireworks being ILLEGAL inside the city on the days after the 5th. I was told that unless the fireworks are a nuisance they couldn't do anything about them. I say if they are shaking the windows in my home from streets away THEY ARE A NUISANCE. Not to mention that incase the fire chief hasn't heard we are in a severe drought, why didn't he stop it ? I will call the LC police every time I hear even one boom around my house. Let's get this nonsense STOPPED. I don't think anyone actually shooting the fireworks and/or any one employed by the city would want to be liable for a house or property going up in flames due to an ordinance that should have never been put into place and not banned during a drought.
Concerned citizen of LC 7/10/07
It has been brought to my attention that Pilot Travel Centers, LLC wants to build a 6-acre Pilot Travel Center/Truck stop at the Loudon exit between McDonald's and the exit ramp. This land is currently not zoned for a truck stop, but Pilot has applied for a special exception
You can voice your opinion in person at the Loudon Board of Zoning Appeals Meeting on Wednesday July 11, 2001 immediately following the Loudon Regional Planning Commission Meeting, which begins at 12:30. The meeting will be held at Loudon City Hall (same building as the utility board). If you are not able to attend the meeting, you can voice your opinion via phone or e-mail and ask that your opinions be made part of the minutes of the meeting.
Loudon County Office of Planning and Community Development
Planning director: Russ Newman firstname.lastname@example.org
Administrative Assistant: Debbie Hines email@example.com
A pilot travel center would greatly increase the volume of traffic at the 72 exit of Interstate 75 (think Watt Rd or Lovell Rd). The increased emissions from the extra trucks stopping is also inconsistent with Loudon's non-attainment status for fine particle pollution. Pilot's new truck centers generally offer space for 100+ trucks. Is this what we want for Loudon?
Please, time is of the essence. Please contact the planning commission and advise them that you "oppose" re-zoning of this land for this truck stop or Loudon, as we know it, will no longer exist!
Have a good day!
I have never seen anybody more busted than Gordon Harless. Sure it was him who signed up with the dating site. It's quit obvious. Then he tries to lie his way out of it. Come on Harless, stand up and take it like a man. The ladies will love it. Does the county have no policy against using a county issued email address for such solicitous purposes? Wonder if it was a personal or county credit card that paid for his dates.
It is my observation at Eaton Elementary and North Middle School that there has been a dramatic INCREASE in the number of non-teaching staff. These are new positions and to my knowledge, weren't posted... but CREATED and FILLED positions. The new 'employees' are all moms of students and move in the same social / church circles. Maybe we truly needed a 200% increase in paid administrative workers... or a paid PTO president. Or maybe we've turned friendships into favors. The good ole boy network is alive and well. Let's pay the teachers and maybe even put some play equipment on North Middle's recreational 'grass'.
J.S. Lenoir City, TN 7/5/07
I recently read in
the News Sentinel that the Knox
County Commissioners violated their
own ethics policy by playing in the
Knoxville Open Golf Tournament and
accepting a $500.00 gift certificate
each. I understand the City
Council of Lenoir City also passed
an ethics policy recently. I also
understand that the City of Lenoir
City had a participate in the
Knoxville Open and also received a
$500.00 gift certificate. This is
the age old deal of making an
enormous contribution with taxpayer
funds in order to be invited, and
then receive a personal kick back in
exchange. The City Council will
look the other way when it is one of
their own violating their ethics
policy. That is also why they need
to enforce their nepotism policy.
Bravo to the Loudon County commission for standing firm against the Loudon County Board Of Education. Shame on you Loudon County Commission for then turning around and throwing away tax money on your budget. It's called hypocrisy.
O. Roberts 7/4/07
After reading the story about the modular being placed at North Middle School, my first thought was "nope, I'm not going to do it ". However, it just gets the best of me when I see the school system crying about money and sports and busses. For those who do not know, the modular classroom belongs to Eaton Elementary. Remember the " there is no quality daycare in Loudon County ", statement made by principal Malone in her bid to have daycare for employees at the facility. Well here it is in all it's glory, one Department of Education licensed and partially funded quality employee daycare.
While we're on the subject of schools and wasting money. In an article in the most recent News-Herald, Bobby Johnson Jr. " expressed dismay at having to dip into the fund balance, citing the recent problems with the fire marshal at Loudon High School. These renovations went from an estimated $300,000 to MORE THAN 1 MILLION, all of which came from the fund balance ".
First off, the PROBLEM is not recent. The problems began way back in 2001. Secondly, the problems are NOT with the fire marshal as stated. And finally, the initial problems at LHS would not have even remotely reached $300, 000. The problem is as simple as one individuals quest to, as Frank would say "I DID IT MY WAY". Expensive and foolish mistake.
I can only imagine what the FREE daycare at Eaton is going to cost.
To: The Facts Man 6/21/07
You stated: "All of these people listed have paid all of the taxes listed except for the 2006 tax year"
YOU ARE WRONG, as the e-mail from the county trustee (below) shows.
You also stated: "This is what angers me about irresponsible posts on web sites or blogs. Most people don't take the time to check and see if the claims are true."
Print that statement, and read it in front of your mirror.
From: Estelle Herrontrstloc@bellsouth.net
To: 'Dave Divelbiss' firstname.lastname@example.org
Subject: RE: Property Taxes, 1005 E. Broadway
Date: Jun 29, 2007 10:28 AM
Mr. Divelbiss: After checking these taxes, the only year that was paid is
the 2003 year. They were pd 10-2-06. The 2004 & 2005 taxes have been
turned over to the Clerk & Master for collection. This office has the 2006
tax. Hope this info will be of help. Thanks Estelle
David Divelbiss 6/29/07
I thought all the council's families already worked for the city or LCUB.
Which city councilman's child is going to work at LCUB? We'll see!
At the Monday, June 11th city council meeting, Matt Brookshire told us: "For six straight years now, we've had what is truly considered a balanced budget."
Some of us know better. For instance, last year they removed two very expensive items in order to get a "truly balanced budget" (a plastic enclosure for his swimming pool [$178,000.00] and a new garbage truck), passed the budget, then went ahead and purchased them anyway.
(Brookshire claimed he was getting donations for the pool enclosure. As of March he had NONE!)
Now, only two weeks after the latest "truly balanced budget" was passed, council votes to raise garbage collection fees and motel user taxes.
YO! KING MATT!: Is there a new round of "off-budget spending" planned? Or is this to pay for last year's?
David Divelbiss 6/27/07
It is a sad day that the citizens of Loudon County are now going to be charged for copies. Arp wanted the pesky citizens out of the records and getting them copied, well maybe now we need to be in the records more. What is he going to do if there is a line day after day wanting just to see these records, he can't deny anyone and he can't throw any one out. So therefore he would have just made the situation worse. I just hope that on the next election for County Mayor that the voters will remember just how much Mr. Arp has cost the TAX PAYERS OF LOUDON COUNTY.
Joanne Greenway 6/24/07
I don't know and don't particularly care, but if my tax records were reported as unpaid for several years and this was wrong, I would pitch a fit with somebody at the state or at the county for putting my information on the web incorrectly. That could really hurt a persons credibility. Has anybody actually called the Trustee's office to check the facts?
Hillbilly Bob 6/22/07
To the Facts
I checked on this blog:
"If anyone has been to crookbusters.com, school board solutions, there are some interesting names that hold prominent positions in city government who have failed to pay their property tax in several years....S.D. June 20, 2007"
All of these people listed have paid all of the taxes listed except for the 2006 tax year. In two of the cases the property owners have changed. In all of the cases the taxes were paid late in the correct year .This is what angers me about irresponsible posts on web sites or blogs. Most people don't take the time to check and see if the claims are true. Had someone made the claim that taxes are paid late on the properties this would be fact. I now know the web site referred to has been shown to be unreliable. I wonder how many other "facts" are unreliable on crookbusters.com?
The Facts Man 6/21/07
You are right Nike! There are some mean elected officials in this county, and if they knew what people really thought of them, there would be some big time paybacks. We as voters have put them in the position to hurt us if we try to change the way our governments operate. I like the blog and it helps me to voice my opinion without worrying how they will get back at me. These people control our towns and county. I hate to be so dramatic but they control our law enforcement, our courts, and our legislative branch of government. I hope that we can once again vote together to remove them. They promised us that they would be different if we would only vote for them. We did and now it is worse than ever. Keep voicing your opinions on Van's blog. Nobody will ever know who you are, they will just talk about how you are telling the real truth about the mess we have here in our towns and county.
If anyone has been
to crookbusters.com, school board
solutions, there are some
interesting names that hold
prominent positions in city
government who have failed to pay
their property tax in several
years. I hope this is not true, as
I have known 1 of these individuals
for several years. This is an open
invitation for anyone who can
validate the claim that they have
not paid on the listed properties.
This type of conduct would be
expected from some politicians in
this county, but the people on that
list have never really been in
trouble. As for the stolen meter,
anyone who is a customer of LCUB
should be livid about this as our
rates continue to go up........Why
am I not surprised another member of
the sheriff's department broke the
law....oh well, their chief deputy
is such a fine example
I know why some people don't like this blog page, they can't stand for the truth to be told. And I know why it bothers them that some bloggers are anonymous. They don't know who to intimidate. This site is a great service to Loudon County.
In response to your comments about the deputy stealing electricity and not being charged. The sheriff said the meter was the property of LCUB. Isn't it a strange coincidence that the chief deputy's nephew and the sheriff's secretary's son work for LCUB? Oh but wait I forgot , the deputy said he found the brand new meter on the side of the road.
Amazed by the BS , in LC
I really never believed all the bad stuff that was posted on this site about the sheriff's department. But the deputy stealing the electricity and walking away has made me a believer.
To: Brooke 6/14/07
Thank you for your message.
It's truly insightful, what you say you saw at Loudon High School"
".....a school that cannot fund a basketball program would go about the task of recruiting a NEW basketball coach...... the football players were there for their daily workout...... the football coaches were there also. Did someone just forget to tell them we're not playing this fall ?"......Not a bad day for someone that cannot fund sports programs."
I would submit that NOBODY in Loudon County Schools takes this nonsense seriously. Instead, you merely have a tantrum.
It was Loudon County Commissioners who decided that 15% of the Adequate Facilities Tax (AFT) would go to Lenoir City Schools. While they were under no legal obligation to do this, they did so because the tax will be collected countywide - including on residential development in the LC School District (That's how it is when you are fair-minded - you don't need a law or court order to tell you what to do).
The Loudon County School Board wants ALL of that money. They got mad, and this is their tantrum.
(The Lenoir City School Board already threw their childish tantrum. Where DO we find these people?)
Lenoir City 6/16/07
The judge said:
To Van and other
I have been reading this web sight for several months now, and find certain things amusing. Among the most amusing is the situation with the school system. It seems that just the other day (right after the news broke about cutting athletics) I was introduced and shook hands with the NEW basketball coach at Loudon High School. He and the basketball team were there practicing for the upcoming season.
Now, does it not seem odd that a school that cannot fund a basketball program would go about the task of recruiting a NEW basketball coach. And even funnier, if they were to take on that task, how intelligent would you have to be to accept that position, if you could read the newspaper. That could surely make for a short career. Now here is something even stranger.
While there, I also noticed that the football players were there for their daily workout. And oh yeah, the football coaches were there also. Did someone just forget to tell them we're not playing this fall ? And as long as we are on the subject, the marching band and color guard were there running through their routine. And finally what would any good sports program be without the cheerleading squad. You can't have sports without cheerleaders and all their support staff, yeah they were there too. Not a bad day for someone that cannot fund sports programs. Now let's move on to one more thing that amazes me.
I have seen and read numerous accounts of health and safety concerns involving the county schools. I have even made comments on this website to just see how interested the parents are when it comes to the real safety and welfare of their school age children. I have done an extreme amount of research regarding the Life Safety concerns at Loudon High School. I have YET to see one parent attend a school board meeting to address any of these concerns. My question to you is why ?
If the School Board is trying to fire a favored principal or teacher, Parents turn out in record numbers and ring the phone of the wall at the School Boards office. If the School Board threatens to cut out athletics, parents turn out in record numbers and ring the phone of the wall at the school board office. If the county threatens a tax increase, people turn out...well you get the point. Health and safety are usually not big ticket items which require a higher tax rate therefore there is not much hoopla in that. Or so you think. Do the research as I have done, you will see the bigger picture. Ask the school board to give an accounting of the fiasco that they have created through their mishandling of the renovations at Loudon High School, if you want to see what your TAX dollars are buying, not cheap. I believe this might fall under capital expenses or general fund from a budget standpoint I will close for now but, I would like to leave you with one last thought.
I have heard this saying all my life and would like for you to think about this. A couple of my friends and I were discussing fire safety a few months ago and one of them remarked "Its a concrete and steel building, What is there to burn " I think we all know the answer to that question but, for those that do not I will enlighten you with the answer.
EVERYTHING ELSE; desks, chairs, couches, curtains/blinds, books, bookcases, tables, carpet, flooring, roofing, chemicals, teaching materials, computers, printers, copiers, TV's, and oh yeah,...People. Oh and before I go. That whole thing about sports being taken away. They would fire the English teacher first...It's a matter of priorities.
After reading the numbers (and I am simply assuming these are correct) at http://www.vanshaver.com/loudon_school_budget_still_in_li.htm I cannot believe that everyone in the school system is still hounding county commission. Do not get me wrong, I consider most of commission and the mayor to be weasels of the highest order. However, here is the problem: five hundred thousand plus five hundred thousand equals one million dollars. Now subtract one million from two point two million and you get one point two million. I am not arguing that the schools do or do not need anything, just that the school board spent 2.2 million dollars from their budget for useless land. It seems to me like the parents ought to be tarring and feathering their own school board for that waste of money rather than asking commission to condone the action with more money. If any of us have a lick of sense, we will get rid of the whole bunch come election time.
Fed up 6/13/07
I was very disappointed in the outcome of today's public records hearing. This just goes to show that any chance at holding the officials accountable is less than nothing, unless everyone gets on the same page and starts yelling loud enough that Nashville listens. To those who have not heard, the judge upheld that the fee for paying a clerk for their time to copy a record (up to 23.47 pr hr), which is contrary to Tennessee code. This will allow Arp's office to pay the person doing the copying twice for the same hour worked, which is also contrary to the law. There will be no fee for inspection, so everyone come armed with video recorders when possible. This is a slap in the face to the citizens of this county.
With Fred Chaney riding herd for the mayor and a judge, who in my opinion, does not know or does not care about the law, we as citizens seem to be up the creek without the proverbial paddle, where justice is concerned. Could this be another attempt to hide what happened to that mysterious 12.5 million, or do they have something more sinister planned for our tax dollars? There is more at stake than public records .
Someone please tell me why Knox county can have every record and credit card bill gone over, and our tax dollars are none of our business?
Fed Up Again in LC 6/13/07
To: FED UP WITH THE
WHOLE THING!!!!!! 6/11/07
To: Carrie - LC
I would like to comment on some of the issues that are on this page. I think that if you live in Loudon then you may comment on our school issues but if you do not then worry about your on schools. L.C. citizens sure have a lot to say about our worries that is none of their business. We elect the school board and the county commission and my opinion is that these officials are on these committees for the wrong reasons. I do not think that they have the child's best interest at mind. You have a husband and a wife, one is on school board the other county commission and they both have grudges against the school system. You have school board members who have no guts when it comes to the welfare of our children in Loudon county.
They made a vote to let a principal go behind closed doors then one of the members let it leak out to the principals fan club then the politics began. More people showed up for the school board meeting than ever before. There were two school board members who voted what they believed and the other ones got scared and voted different. It's sad when families are threatened and jobs could be lost because they wanted to vote to let this person go. These people are Deacons in churches and they are suppose to be looking out for the children! As for the people who say Loudon county teachers have it easy then I suggest you spend one week or one day at a school it will change your mind. People like you make me sick when you think you know what they go thru everyday, YOU DON'T. They may have a week or two off but I know for a fact that they are at the schools working trying to get ready for the next school year. As for bad weather, we do not have that in Loudon County! DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE CHILDREN NOT FOR YOURSELVES! NO LIBRARY IN TELLICO VILLAGE IS NEEDED . WHY CAN'T THEY USE LOUDON'S LIBRARY OR IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM! ELECTED NEW SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND A NEW COUNTY COMMISSION.
FED UP WITH THE WHOLE THING!!!!!! 6/11/07
I am not sure how many people know this but...Anyone, yes any person, can petition the Grand Jury for an indictment IF they feel a crime has been committed and they have proof. It does not take the D.A. to do it. So...... all you have to do is find out when the Grand Jury meets again, made a petition to be heard, take your proof, and speak your mind. Maybe since the Lawkeepers won't keep the law against their own, it's time for the citizens to do it. I can think of a couple of Mayors right off the top of my head that need a good dose of reality, they can be prosecuted for their illegal acts.
Carrie - LC 6/9/07
Robbie E. makes a good point. How many other friends and family members of LCUB employees have free electric meters plugged in their houses. Can just anybody have one of those free meters? Apparently stealing electricity isn't a crime. If you get caught you just pay what you owe. If you don't get caught, free juice for life. If anybody knows the name to contact for a free meter please post it here.
I just read Lenoir City School's Director, Wayne Miller's, heart felt appeal to the Loudon County Commission to give more money to the school system so Lenoir City Schools will get more money. An editorial in the News Herald. He goes at some detail about the importance supporting the schools financially with more tax money.
Here's a thought Mr. Miller, if you lived in Loudon County and paid property taxes in Loudon County instead of Knox County, that might help with the financial support of our schools. As for that matter, just how many Lenoir City and Loudon County teachers and school personal live outside Loudon County. Maybe if they all moved to Loudon County and paid taxes here they wouldn't be so quick to call for big tax increases for the rest of us.
No more taxes
Raymond L. 6/8/07
The more I read and
hear about the "secret society"
which exists in Loudon (i.e., the
privileged few who run every aspect
of government from the Mayor's
offices, the police department, to
the school board), living in such a
blighted section of America should
really cause anxiety for all the
honest (those rare species of the
general public - not the high and
mighty - who still call Loudon
home). A case of chronic neglect by
the government entities, which were
elected ( not appointed by some
higher authority), has been known to
cause the down-fall of the very
"government" which is the cause of
the neglect - just look at the Roman
In regards to Bobby
Van, please post
this URL for those who do not know
how to find the statistics
concerning teachers pay. If you look
at the tables, Knox County is making
about 2000.00 more than Loudon
County per year. Factor in that it
costs quite a bit more to LIVE in
Knox County (go find a house for the
same price as yours and you will
find out), and I think it will end
the argument that teachers are
underpaid. Next argument.........
So, that's it? Drinnen steals electricity, has stolen property in his possession, obviously lies about the whole thing and walks away unscathed? GIVE ME A BREAK! Do we need any more evidence of just how corrupt the sheriff's office really is? This is a travesty of justice. Do you suppose all thief's get the same opportunity? Just pay for what you stole and we will just drop the whole matter.
What about LCUB? do they always just fluff off theft of their equipment? Maybe that's why our utility bills are so high. They have the ability to know exactly where that meter came from and who gave it to him. This is just pathetic. I bet money that the person that gave away the meter is related to higher officials with the city. Wonder how many other meters have "accidentally" fallen off the truck? May be time for LCUB to inventory their meter stock.
It's obvious that the locals are going to protect their own. It's time for some outside agency to come in here and blow the lid off this whole mess. It's time for a Cocke County style house cleaning.
If there is this much crap going on that we know about, just imagine how much stuff is going on that we don't know about. What an embarrassment this is to the whole county.
Robbie E. 6/7/07
Since being indicted twice for extorting $10,000 isn't serious enough to get a LCSD Deputy suspended, you might have (like myself) wondered what it would take to get Guider to suspend someone.
With the case of ex-Deputy Drinnen, we now have the answer:
<<<"He had in his possession an extra electric meter that belonged to LCUB," Guider said. "It is my understanding that the LCUB meter had time on it when examined.">>>(From the News-Sentinel story:)
Lenoir City 6/7/07
Does anyone know how
the Parvo thing worked out at the
animal shelter? I believe that
Blount County's contract should be
up this month, but I have not heard
if the Mayor is planning to keep
footing the bill for Blount
Countians. I wonder if that was
supposed to be something we forgot?
To just wondering in Loudon, I would also like those questions answered. As far as Arp in his public meeting the other night does he live in a fantasy world or has his memory been lost somewhere out in space, because Ms. Hunter would never have filed a lawsuit if he had not denied PUBLIC information. Can you imagine how much money the county could have if they spent money for only the need to better our county instead of redoing the county building and all the other unnecessary things.
Joanne Greenway 6/5/07
response to: Just wondering in
remains that IF the schools are
under funded by 3.8 million, then
why would the school board feel
comfortable spending 2.2 million for
useless land? For all the defending
of the need of money to fund
schools, no one has answered that
wondering in Loudon:
With all this talk about schools and the budget and the overcrowding with seems to be the main cause of the budget problem, I have a question and I was wondering if anyone could help with it? When my children started kindergarten I had to provide the following information before they were allowed to enroll.
1. Birth Certificate
2.Social Security card
3.Proof of immunizations
4. Proof of residency
So how is it that there are so many illegal immigrants attending public school? So why were they not made to provide the same information? Does anyone know?
Just wondering in Loudon 6/4/07
To: Defending Education,
You said "The daycares become a wash." It's obvious you have no understanding of economics. Unless the daycares are being held in the school yard, it certainly is being partially funded by the tax payers. The daycares are in the buildings in class rooms that as we have been continuously told are not available for students. The daycares surely have lights, water and sewer and it would be hard to calculate work time lost by teachers while they drop by the daycare to check on their little bundles. This also doesn't take into consideration the liability taken on by the schools in the event of, God forbid, a tragedy of some kind. And you can bet your bottom dollar that if allowed to continue, in a short time the full tab will be picked up by the tax payer.
No, I'm sorry, daycare for the teachers is not a wash for the tax payers but just another example of poor management and decision making by the Loudon County Board Of Education.
M. Murr 6/3/07
Defending Education in Loudon County
Defending Education in Loudon
County, I stand corrected on
daycare, and if what you say is
true, I was wrong. However, not once
did I chastise a teacher (only the
school board's assessment that you
are underpaid.) As for insurance,
you have no idea how
Let me start by saying that before you post on a public blog, you should have facts. The teachers in Loudon County do not get daycare. Every teacher with children in America would teach for Loudon County if that were so. Some of the schools have daycare facilities that are available to teachers. They DO pay for these services and are completely funded by the teachers, without needing funds from the BOE. The daycares become a wash.
Secondly, I don't know why you think that teachers get 3 months off. The last day for students was May 25. The new school year begins the first of August. But do you think that these classrooms prepare themselves? If so then sign me up...unfortunately many hours are spent in the classroom by teachers who work long hours (with no pay) during the summer. Teachers are paid on a 10 month contract in Loudon County. They don't get paid for time they don't work. Therefore do the math and realize that their paychecks are stretched out to meet needs over 12 months. Also, the insurance benefit is great if you have single coverage. Yes, they pay 100%, but so does almost every other school system around. However if you have to carry family coverage you pay $400 dollars a month.
Also, there is more than 1.1 million left to be cut from the budget. If you did the math you would learn that the county has around 300 out of county students. The county can't charge more tuition than their per pupil expenditure. This means that if they spend about $6600 per student, the state pays approximately 65 percent of this and the county 35 percent. The county could charge no more than about $2000 per child. This would create a revenue of only around $60,000 which won't even dent a 1.1 million dollar deficit unfunded by county commission.
Look at the facts. Really. Do some research and find out for yourself that Loudon County's teachers are underpaid yet their performance is better than most surrounding area's. Some of the schools in Loudon County are in the top percent of schools in the state. I can't say that much for our government. You are creating a societal issue when you don't put money into education. If you pay the lowest continually, you will eventually get the lowest. The brightest and best star teachers will move on to a place in which they can support their families. It is more than just a job, it is a life mission. It is the place where everything starts. If you are reading this now, thank a teacher, don't belittle them for asking to be paid fairly. They are not asking to be rich. They are asking to be paid what others are paid surrounding us.
-Defending Education in Loudon County
June 2, 2007
I have had the opportunity to
visit your beautiful region of
country several times in the
past few years. I mentioned to
family members that your area
seemed like it would be a
wonderful place to retire. When
I made that comment, someone in
the group mentioned that maybe I
should scan this website first
before standing by my statement.
I did and all that I can say is
WOW, brings back old memories.
During the election,
I called both candidates for
Shaver's seat to ask what they would
do with a situation I was facing on
my road. I remember very well my
conversation with Chris Park. He
told me that whatever the situation,
he would hope that he would always
do the right thing.
Someone correct me
if I am wrong, but did I read right
that Loudon teachers get DAYCARE,
along with their insurance, every
holiday and three months off for
summer? DAH, where is the hardship
people? If I got all those fringe
benefits I would not be growling
about a raise. I have a suggestion.
While everyone is arguing over all
the problems that need solutions
concerning the budget, why do we not
charge the out of county students
tuition for going to our schools?
Their parents aren't paying Loudon
taxes so why should they get