So are we gonna see an addition to our LCUB bill that says " TVA Retention Pond cleanup/rebuild adjust".
I figured since we pay for their gas they may stick us with the cost of the collapse. What do you think? Maybe they wanted to take that land too and couldn't figure out a good way to get it. Maybe they could call it Ashellico Village.
To A Resident
Scott, agree with
you--would much rather have the
county handle the load. Think you
know, however that even some
discussion is one of public safety
and the more I learn, the more
convinced I become that Rural Metro
has some explaining to do. In
addition, it seems the county mayor
and others have only allowed this
situation to go on because they are
unwilling to fund a Fire Dept at a
level of safety acceptable to
citizens throughout the county.
Mayor Arp knows this is a big
problem and yet does nothing. An
immediate step he could take would
be to direct Loudon Communication to
notify RM of every fire event and RM
Even the director of
communications acknowledges that 911
was set up as a clearing house with
the original intent of eliminating
exactly the situation that we now
live with. Of course, its not the
fault of dispatch, nor the mayor nor
the county commission and I agree
not the fault of the volunteers.
And RM would also tell you its not
their fault. Seems kicking this
can around the county is what
everyone is good at. Where is
leadership on this issue. Major Arp
are you paying attention.
The Loudon County Rescue Squad will turn out more qualified man power and equipment to a fire quicker than Rural Metro could ever hope to. That's probably why RM decided to try to pull a take over. I guess they were having a hard time compeating with the squad.
Memo to Scott:
Hope you don't mind
treating this request as an honest
attempt to understand one simple
issue in Loudon County, FIRE
I don't understand a concept you put forth of "some people choosing to purchase premium fire protection." We either have proper and adequate fire protection in all areas of Loudon County or we don't. Are you saying the LCF & rescue is adequate by state standards to provide fire protection to all county residents? If county commission can answer YES to this question, we can all cancel RM subscriptions.
I have lived in
5 different states and have never
encountered a system of premium
fire protection or for that matter
two different fire department ,
one volunteer and the other premium
within the same
jurisdiction. Speaking only for
myself, I don't want to purchase
fire protection from a for profit
corporation if the local fire
fighting volunteers have the
necessary equipment and personnel to
do the job.
And thanks in
advance for your interest, time and
To A Resident:
I would like to address a real problem we have in our schools, LCHS in particular.
Everyone likes to talk about any problem with the students, whether it affects them or not, however no one seems to ever address the situation we have with our teachers.
I teach my kids to respect their teachers, and anyone in authority, and we would like to think that our children's teachers, whom they spend most of their time with respect them also.
The reality of it is that our teachers, although not all, but many of them yell at them all too often, and humiliate them in front of their class more often than you or I know. (How many times are they too embarrassed to say what their day has really been like?)
There are teachers who will scream at the children for asking to go to the clinic for a Tylenol, then embarrass them in front of everyone.
Ask your kids how was their day REALLY? And ask yourself, and your school board why are there LC residents who refuse to send their kids to LCHS?
I think our kids deserve to be shown a bit of respect also.
Concerned Parent Lenoir City 12/19/08
A resident said:
After all, fire protection and public safety is the job of commission and The County Mayor. The evidence, to date, seems to suggest that County Commission and Rural Metro would both prefer to play politics with public safety coming in dead last.
Mayor Arp lives on the other side of the county- if it does not concern him, he will not waste his time on it. He only faces issues where he benefits. The same goes for county commission. Now if he were to receive a portion of the subscription money that Rural Metro takes in, he would be on the job in a flash.
Just when I thought it was quiet. Well, now the commissioners of the 5th and 6th, no wait, ALL commissioners need to start thinking of ways to strengthen the LCFR. I have a suggestion. Change the charter to allow them to sell subscriptions just like GBFD. But you say I pay taxes, well you are correct. But if GBFD can do it, and by the way they are very superior in fire protection, then we should let LCFR do it too. No more allowing someone else go ask for money. Oh and remember the Christmas trees? They had to stop it because they were loosing money. Bring it back Bill, and be sure to send Christmas cards to all the Avalon folk next year and ask them to contribute and come buy a Christmas tree.
Rural Metro &
Loudon County Commissioners
provided by the Loudon Communication
Center for not calling Rural Metro
is simple, "Its not our protocol."
If it were their responsibility,
they could simply pick up the phone
and call Rural Metro letting them
know a fire emergency exists at a
specific address and Rural Metro
could then determine if they had a
contractual liability to respond..
And again, this problem is not
..that cumbersome--computers could
easily be programmed as to which
agency should respond. The
Communication Center through its
It may not be Loudon
County Communication Center
responsibility to resolve this issue
but county commission and , in
particular, Mayor Arp should have
addressed it a long time ago. After
all, fire protection and public
safety is the job of commission and
The County Mayor. The evidence, to
date, seems to suggest that County
Commission and Rural Metro would
both prefer to
Is anybody surprised that Russ Johnson refuses to investigate the 321 land deal? Let's see. The Loudon High School fire marshal life safety issues where Johnson tried to call off the fire marshal. Those involved? Russ Johnson, Edward Headlee, Dave Hemelright. 321 land deal. Those evolved? Edward Headlee, Dave Hemelright and now Johnson wont investigate. Hum.
Not Stupid 12/17/08
The Rural Metro thing is no more than a power play to force the county in giving them an exclusive contract in Loudon County. They have had a gold mine for many years and wanted more. Rural Metro has been collecting fees for years in Loudon County and I don't think they have ever put out a house fire in all those years in Loudon County.
It would be impossible for 911 to keep up with who was a RM customer. RM customers constantly are adding and droping or moving away. Why would it be 911's responsibility to keep up with all that. The Loudon County rescue Squad is far more capable of handeling any emergency in Loudon County than RM.
Good Riddance 12/17/08
Finally, how long has the Loudon Communication staff been aware of this pending disaster? Why didn't the Loudon Communications director deal with this issue immediately by making all residents under contract with RURAL METRO aware of the fact that they were not protected by using the 911 system. I trust the answer won't come back "ITS NOT MY JOB."
To answer this question, you have always had fire protection when calling the 911 system. If you or someone else in your subdivision called 911 for a fire, 911 dispatch would send Loudon County Fire Rescue to respond even though you may have been a subscriber to Rural / Metro Fire. LCFR has been the primary fire service for this county since the 1950's. Rural Metro started selling subscriptions in this county somewhere around 1980. The former LCFR Chief John Parris tried to get this stopped once he became aware of this but to no avail. It has just been until recently that the problem has finally been able to be remedied.
As for the Loudon County Communications, they were doing their job and dispatching the primary fire service for this county which is LCFR. Therefore, I believe that you might want to ask Rural / Metro Fire this question and not Loudon County Communications.
In part I am writing
to express gratitude to this
web-site and commissioner Wayne
Gardin for flooding sunlight on a
very serious issue affecting
many residents of east Loudon County
and in particular the Tanglewood
sub-division. Tanglewood lies in
both Knox and Loudon Counties.
Rural Metro has, for the ten years I
have been a resident , collected
fees from Tanglewood residents, with
the promise of responding in the
event of a residential fire.
Congratulations to the proud new grandparents and parents to-be! Whether Boy or Girl, it makes me feel good to know there likely will be Shavers involved in Loudon County politics for generations to come.
Wow, It's been slow for the posting to this blog. Is it that everyone is doing what their supposed to and there is no news going around?
I wanted to say a few things about the LCFR and the commissioners. They better support these guys. This squad has been in Loudon County for a long time and always provided help to those in need with little funding from the county. I don't know many fire dept that operate on 80k a year. If they were as important as the SO then maybe they would be number one too. Why do they have to go door to door to ask for money. GBFD has subscriptions and they have more fire trucks and personnel than LCFD, and they are volunteers just like LCFR.
WOW!!! If you would read then you would see that this was about the Branch office of LCUB!!!!!!! Didn't realize there was a branch of the bank on Campbell Station Rd.
the cedar bluff branch of what??? the bank .. the lcub..
i do my paying and banking online.. because the employees of every office i have to deal with not only don't smile.. but In my opinion usually they are incompetent to be doing any job. they are usually kindred of the management.. i had to go to 3 different branches of first national bank just to get signed up for online banking.. but it was well worth the trouble.. since ill never have to deal with a live person again (i hope)
i'm hoping my problems with them are over.. unless they update something to cause even more problems with the computer, i should be good to go , word of advice take advantage of your computer that you already know how to operate. then when a problem comes up.. you have nobody to blame but yourself.
Is it just me or has anyone noticed the employees at the Cedar Bluff Office Branch never smile??????? Making what they make, I think I would smile some. I go out of my way and go to the branch off Campbell Station Rd, just because they're nicer and more pleasant. And why did LCUB have to hire another attorney?? Isn't Shannon Littleton an attorney???!!!! LOL
A blog was posted back in September on the placement of the new City benches in front of the Roane State Building (they are in the middle of the sidewalk) and no one responded. Has anyone else seen where these benches are placed, if so, are they placed according to Federal ADA Laws? If they are placed according the Federal Guidelines then I'm okay with it, if not then maybe Lenoir City Officials should get someone to place them according to Federal Laws.
Thank you for your time,
KFW, Lenoir City 11/13/08
I think the Loudon County Sheriff's Department and all law enforcement agencies involved should be congratulated for their diligence and professionalism in the capture of Christopher Ellis. Law enforcement is a very difficult, dangerous and for the most part, unappreciated occupation, so I would like to say "Thank you for a job well done" .
Loudon, TN 11/10/08
Joe The Plumber
First of all let me say that I indeed do not need your forgiveness I get mine from a greater power than you. Had you given me the opportunity I would have been the first to apologize. I believe Van has taken the blame for the mistake and it has been laid to rest. Now as for you working there I do not care where you work, but since I just was at the justice the other day on some business I did notice that their bathrooms were working efficiently and probably do not need the assistance of a plumber right now but in the future maybe they can contact you. lol I would not in the least care if Steve Cook is Sheriff or Tim Guider, of course I have always been a Guider supporter and will continue to do so in the next election that is not here nor there, as far as I am concerned both are fine men and have done nothing to me. I would just like for anyone who gets the election to do the best job they know how, and I believe this could happen for either men if we as a community will only stand behind them and help them instead of tearing them down.
Lastly: We should be more concerned with the most recent historical election and how it is going to effect us rather than one man and one county.
Thank you again
Lstandford LC 11/8/08
I don't believe Joe was being negative towards the sheriff's department, I was just explaining what I heard and saw on the websites and eventually the news stations. I hope I wasn't derogatory towards Joe, as I did not mean to be. Although I don't always have the utmost respect for some members of the sheriff's department, in this particular situation I believe they did a very good job. Unfortunately, the suspect got away from them. This man has a criminal history and has been good at running from police, based on what I've seen about him.
Again, I apologize if I made any negative remarks. I never intended to.
David in LC 11/8/08
To Joe The Plumber and responders to his first post.
I will take the credit for the misunderstanding on JTP's previous post that has now been removed. JTP sent me what I thought was a blog but was in fact a request to post the story of the home invasion on my site ASAP. I misunderstood his request and thought he wanted me to post his email ASAP. The mistake was mine.
I do not feel that JTP was in any way being derogatory toward any law enforcement but was wanting the home invasion story published quickly.
I apologize for the misunderstanding and hope this helps clear up the matter.
Van Shaver 11/7/08
To those that jump to conclusions,
Where I work there is no TV and we cannot listen to the radio. I work 12 hrs and came home to learn of this. I did not mean for that email to go out it was for van only but I wasn't clear about it to him. The news was not on when I got home, I just heard it from friends of mine on the phone. I was asking Van to put this up on his site because it needed to be there too and when I looked it wasn't.
Quote "THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WORKED TIRELESSLY ALL WEEKEND TRYING TO FIND THIS GUY, AND YET YOU STILL FIND THE URGE TO GRIPE ABOUT THEM. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THINGS THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GET OUT AND GET A JOB WITH THEM, BUT THEN AGAIN IF YOU CAN'T WATCH THE NEWS THEN MAYBE YOU CAN FIND YOUR WAY DOWN THERE TO GET THE APPLICATION"
Now for you miss, I NEVER said anything about the sheriffs dept doing a bad job or anything about making a change. Do you feel there should be a change there. You are apparently ill hearted about people saying things about the sheriff dept but it is my right to if I want. I for one personally know each officer there and in the cities and have never said anything about these guys and gals. They work hard and put their lives on the line everyday. I hope you find it in your heart to apologize but I know it won't happen so I will say I forgive you for your dirty off basis comments and wish you well. I will tell you that when Steve Cook is sheriff in 2010,I would think about getting a job there but in your mind I bet you will not want that to happen.
Joe the plumber 11/7/08
I too listen to my scanner alot, and I heard the call. It was probably about 20 minutes later that I heard the report on the radio. It could have been on the radio sooner than that and I did not hear it because I was listening to the scanner instead. I think they did a terriffic job of getting the info out there while they themselves were conducting an investigation, setting up a search, and taking care of the victims involved. I dont think it could have happened any faster.
I would like to say that I am concerned about the elderly that live in that vicinity. Obviously this man remained in that area, he had to be somewhere, and the area was completely searched. Which means he was inside somewhere. Now he has a vehicle and to my knowledge that vehicle has not been seen, which means it could be in a garage. SO if you know people who live in that area or if you are a neighbor of an elderly person in that area, stop and take the time to check on their well being. I believe it is possible he could still be there(wherever he was for 3 days).
quote: "IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THINGS THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GET OUT AND GET A JOB WITH THEM, BUT THEN AGAIN IF YOU CAN'T WATCH THE NEWS THEN MAYBE YOU CAN FIND YOUR WAY DOWN THERE TO GET THE APPLICATION."
You know, I am a little tired of this old quote. Every time someone has something to say, this is the knee jerk response. Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to get a job being a law enforcement officer in Loudon County? I personally know a half-dozen certified police officers with experience that haven't even been able to get an interview, much less a job there.
Its' hard to do real law enforcement work in a county where your administrators (not leaders) won't back you up. It's hard to be a Police Officer somewhere where you can get in trouble for arresting "the wrong people".
It's impossible to get a job there if the administrators even think for a second you might come in and actually do some work. Too many apple carts to upset.
I agree that some people need to whine because that's how they are. But don't take every post critical of Law Enforcement as a direct jab at the Officers. There are things that are wrong, and it affects the Patrolmen and the Corrections people. But they can't complain. They can't go public. They rely on YOU, the public, to take notice and help them.
So, unless you have a magic job wand, you might consider laying off the 'you don't like what they're doing - go get one a their jobs' comments. I know people ready to go; can you get them there?
JOE THE PLUMBER
DO YOU NOT HAVE A TELEVISION A RADIO OR ACCESS TO A NEWSPAPER? THIS HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS SINCE IT HAPPENED YESTERDAY, AND BEFORE THEN SINCE FRIDAY NIGHT WHEN THE FIRST INCIDENT HAPPENED. NOW MIND YOU IN BETWEEN THE ALL SO EVER IMPORTANT AND WAY PAST DUE FIRING OF PHILLIP FULMER. IT IS ON VAN'S SITE AS WELL. I DON'T THINK THAT IT MATTERS THAT IT IS CHRIS BOWENS PARENTS, ALTHOUGH I DO KNOW THEM VERY WELL AND THINK THAT IT IS HORRIBLE THAT IT HAPPENED TO THEM AND I AM VERY GRATEFUL THAT THEY ARE SAFE AND ESCAPED UNHARMED.
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WORKED TIRELESSLY ALL WEEKEND TRYING TO FIND THIS GUY, AND YET YOU STILL FIND THE URGE TO GRIPE ABOUT THEM. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THINGS THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GET OUT AND GET A JOB WITH THEM, BUT THEN AGAIN IF YOU CAN'T WATCH THE NEWS THEN MAYBE YOU CAN FIND YOUR WAY DOWN THERE TO GET THE APPLICATION.
LSTANDFORD LC 11/2/08